The problem is that you guys think that the issue is with everybody except the builder choosing to conform!
If I saw my friends all wearing the same shoes, is it their fault that I bought the exact same pair? No, I chose to conform.
Well I've learned some new things thanks to this discussion. I bet alot of others have too. What I took out of this is lead by example. If you think something should be done one way, then be your own testament to that.
You want more creative builds, do it! Don't wait on a new guy to come along and mix things up. On the other hand if you think that creative freedom should be a thing, then support the people doing things differently. At the end of the day, if you do what you think is right thats all that matters!
Well said Valric and it marks a good point for me to end on Consider the matter dropped by me, I think I have inadvertently caused enough pain and distress - ironically the things I wanted to prevent.
I will think on this. I have a handful of builds I have been too timid to post and a few ideas on how to portray those characters that may not be considered conventional. It's food for thought, we do need to let actions speak louder than words at times.
I am sorry my words and actions of late have caused so much drama, though.
Damn it Phil, I was going to take the blame...Nothing even slightly negative happened in this post until my second comment, so don't you try and take the blame.
Actually, regardless don't ever try and be sorry for stating an opinion (says the guy who does it almost as often as you), you weren't being an ass about it in anyway, and you raised points you thought were valid... This, I think is a case of people reacting stronger than the initial (for lack of a better word) criticism which was being discussed earlier, there was nothing hateful, no blame directed towards anyone from you, just opinions...
On another note...I see people have mentioned hostility, and I can only really see two, maybe three comments that are hostile at all... I dunno if I'm just used to worse, but I kind of think people are blowing this up to be more hurtful, insulting and hostile than it really is. There are disagreements sure, but pretty much everyone has said their pieces without being directly offensive.
EDIT: I wanted to make an edit, because I did kind of rush this...I don't mean that there was nothing that could have been offensive stated in this thread, I definitely get that, but I don't think there were that many comments mean to belittle, hurt or bully another member. That's my definition of hostility in a discussion (not sure if it's technically correct) but I wanted to make a distinction that this is my own views, and other people might disagree.
At the request of a few peeps via Skype I've been asked to take a look at this thread. I've just read through everyone's replies and I think all of these points of view have given me a general idea of what's going on here at the moment.
I rarely pop my head in to this corner of the site anymore - if anything I'll just be checking for questions on my page or having a quick look at what's going on in the ESO group (very little) or Fallout CB. I'll freely admit that I was having a bit of a laugh with some friends on the weekend by poking through some of the newer builds and comparing them to the standards of mid-2013 when CB was at its height. Many of them had potential but I don't really have the time or passion to really help the authors improve their future work. But I digress.
Unfortunately I've never really experienced this whole stigma surrounding new builders that people seem to be talking about, but I do think there needs to be some changes to CB. Say I was a new member coming to the group for the first time and posting my first build, I'd see all these shining examples of Mythic and Legendary builds from the last few years. I get the impression that the heights of 100+ likes are nearly unachievable these days, simply because there's not enough active members or buzz surrounding the CB group. I'm not really sure how off the top of my head but I do think some focus needs to be taken away from the age-old likes system us CB oldies used to hold in such high regard.
Heaps of people have mentioned some cool ideas for different kinds of builds deviating from the standard gameplay-focused formula that I personally 'grew up' with. Why don't we think of a way to actually get some of those great ideas rolling rather than bickering about what's happened in the past?
With the remastered version of Skyrim coming out soon I expect many people (both old and new members, maybe even me - you never know) will be descending upon Character Building once again - and many will have already played Skyrim before, and might be looking for something a bit (or a lot) different to what they are used to. We're coming up to a good time to start generating some change within the group.
I've found in the past that Events are a great way to get people on board with a theme/concept that normally wouldn't even consider it - they've even brought me back to the group a couple of times when I thought I was done. Maybe we could run a couple of themed months or something along those lines - rather than having a short window of a week or two to post your build, post up the themes for this month and next month on the CB (or even site) homepage. Then people can create a build each month based on the theme, or just do one every second month since they know what next month's theme will be in advance. This could be stuff like builds based on custom quests (I remember a discussion around this a few years back which worked quite well), builds told from a first person perspective, or one of the other ones listed in this discussion.
I think in the long run we'll find some cool new concepts and presentations that really gel well with the group and start finding their way in to other new builds in the site.
Anyway, I think that's more words than all the comments I've posted in the last year combined so I might leave this one here. I know I'm a bit out of touch with the group right now but I thought I might as well throw in my 2 cents from a CB oldie's perspective.
This made me thinking of getting back into building. Maybe a story/build thing, that shows his skills through his journals? Maybe a branching build? But.. After reading Curse's reply to Phil back on page 9 or so... The fear has come back, and I'm just ready for my work to be torn apart. Eh. I'm probably being over-sensitive, but I'll just stick to Stories for now. Great discussion though!
EDIT: Now I want to again.... *Shrugs*
Hopefully it safe to traverse on this post again after all the "stuff" being flung around. . .
Lyall don't be afraid to put yourself out there to make a build! If you got an idea to display a characters skills, then go for it. Don't let anyone discourage you or tear you down for it. Display it from your mind and heart. Not for it to be hesitant just because of a few ( Or in this case ) several of other critics might say. You would probably have to post it up in the new site if they have the part operational or not. Good luck getting it through!
I think you should post one, or at least a snapshot, no one is gonna rip that apart. I like snapshots, but making a build i don't have time for and it would get ripped apart. but snapshots... those are fun.